Would sex with your clone be incest or masturbation?
It’s a question that’s long scandalized middle school cafeteria tables and dorm room smoke sessions. Adult content creators Kristi and Trev quit their day jobs to find out, and found themselves the heroes of a community of clone fetishists in the process.
One year ago, Kristi and Trev were both working in tech—Kristi at a video game studio, and Trev as a visual effects artist—when they had an idea for putting their professional work to use in their private life. Trev is a wife guy of the purest form, his fantasy being to fuck multiples of her at the same time, and that’s exactly what you’ll see if you buy one of their videos on Fansly or see clips on Reddit: Trev getting head from Kristi while “Kloe,” her clone, is also riding his face. Kristi under a milking table while two other “twins” massage his back or flirt around his head.
The most they’ve had on screen at once was four “quadruplets,” a bondage scene where Trev is tied up and four cloned women are all over him while he starfishes on the bed.
To achieve this effect, they filmed themselves having sex, then “cloned” Kristi using the video editing software After Effects to add another one of her into the scene. “The idea of having a threesome with my wife was probably the very foundation of this,” Trev told me in a video call with Kristi.
“He would make jokes like, you know, ‘Oh, you're so hot. Wouldn't it be great if there were two of you?’” Kristi said.
“I think I worded it better than that,” Trev replied.
Once they’d produced that first clone clip, they decided to post it online and see what other people thought. The response was overwhelming enthusiasm. “We were like, well, that was kind of fun. Let's do another one,” Kristi said. “And then it honestly just snowballed really quickly. We weren't in love with our jobs, so we were like, we see a lot of potential here. Let's start doing this.”
Twincest is a common fetish, whether it’s identical, same-gender twins, or fraternal twins. It’s so popular that mainstream television occasionally flirts with the concept; Amazon recently announced a reality dating show called Twin Love, and who could forget the Lannisters from Game of Thrones. But on most porn platforms, real incest is forbidden by the terms of use, as sex with one’s own relatives is illegal. Most directors get around this with “fauxcest,” a genre that began in the 1980’s and saw a revival in the last ten years. “Stepmom"“stepsister” have since become some of the most-searched terms on tube sites.
“Selfcest,” the concept of fucking a clone or alternate dimension version of oneself, is a little different. It got popular with fan ship communities on Tumblr in the early 2000s, and is considered somewhat controversial; occasionally a piece of media like Marvel’s Loki or the Spiderverse franchise will whip fans into a frenzy over whether it’s ethical or moral to fuck yourself from another timeline. Selfcest, however, is a science fiction concept and not possible in real life (that we know of — if you’ve fucked selves from other dimensions please do get in touch).
"We still get messages that say, ‘hey, you and your sisters...’ And I’m like, eh, it’s just me.’”
Despite being into multiple-wife-clone fantasy themselves, Trev and Kristi told me that once they started producing and selling their content, they discovered whole communities of clone porn enthusiasts hanging out on platforms like Reddit and Discord. DeviantArt, too, has a lot of NSFW clone art, as does Pixiv, a site for illustrations similar to DeviantArt. Archive of Our Own has thousands of pieces of writing tagged "selfcest." And while the relatively small but devoted clone-sex fandom has held strong for the last 20 years, it’s showing signs of revival. A few creators on custom content sites like ManyVids are making clone content in similar ways, with masking in post-production; Once you know what you’re looking for, content tagged “twins” with identical women often has lightly blurred edges on their bodies where they come close to the center line.
The content Kristi and Trev make toes the fauxcest line in a different way than porn scripts demanding actors declare they are “so horny for their STEPbrother.” As a virtual clone of herself, Kristi’s “twin” Kloe plays with Kristi and Trev in threesomes, but rarely do the two women touch one another; it’s both technically more difficult to get them to interact or overlap, and more risky for posting to platforms that disallow depictions of incest. On Fansly, their primary subscription content platform, incest that’s “real, simulated, or implied” isn’t allowed.
On all of the platforms they use, they’re very transparent about the videos being made with visual effects, discussing the editing process on Reddit with fans and mentioning using video editing skills in the bio of their Fansly page.
“We try to make it as clear as possible because we don't want to deceive people,” Kristi said. “Even with that, we still get messages that say, ‘hey, you and your sisters...’ And I’m like, eh, it’s just me.’”
Filming the scenes is tedious work, they said: To pull off a convincing clone scene, one partner (in this case Trev) usually has to hold very still as the partners doing the action maneuver around. For example, they’ll film Kristi running her hands over one half of his body, then she’ll switch to the other half. “So the top half of me has to stay perfectly rigid and still, and then we cut things together,” Trev said. If he moves too much, his body will cross over the mask line—a boundary applied in After Effects that keeps the sides of the clones separate.
Filming a porno in a green screen suit…. Whhaaaaa 🤯🫣👀 #onlyFans #nsfw #fansly #VFX pic.twitter.com/zDyYFZsxPs
— Kristiandkloe (@kristiandkloe) June 22, 2023
In post-production, they combine the shots and add blending effects, including experimenting with generative AI to create environments that look realistic. Along the way, they’ve learned how to avoid too much editing work: They don’t film on cloudy days, because the lighting changes too unpredictably inside their house. Kristi keeps her hair tied up, because if it gets in front of a green screen, for example, it’s very hard to edit out.
Their fans don’t mind flaws. Some point out editing errors in Reddit comments, but the couple isn’t aiming for perfection anyway. Many viewers enjoy it for what it is — a fantasy that’s already beyond what most selfcest and clone content can deliver — and it’s slick enough that some viewers still think it’s really identical twins they’re seeing.
“If I have time, I’ll do other compositing steps to better merge the content like blurring the edge of things in the foreground among a handful of other tricks,” Trev said. “However, most of the time that isn’t necessary given the audience. They’re normally looking at something other than a messy mask line.”
Some of the selfcest communities I’ve seen are experimenting with using generative AI to make their fantasies come to life quickly, with images like thousands of identical women in a horde. But as of right now, AI can’t create a video that expresses the realism that even one jankily-edited twincest VFX video can — let alone the ones made with care and precision, obsessed over by the people making them and featured in them. And because they’re real people in the adult industry, experiencing the things real people do when trying to earn a living on the internet, Kristi and Trev told me they aspire to build more than just a following of clone fans. In their entry into the industry, they’ve noticed a lot of other new creators questioning how to build a following and become successful and stable in the industry, see analytics on their own content, and how to avoid things like scams that over promise engagement. They hope to build tools that could help others solve those problems.
“We love doing this. We're going to continue to do this for quite some time,” Trev said. “But I’m a tinkerer, I'm a builder. I like to build things and have a lot of software experience. So we have this grand plan to build basically a tool for creators to use to improve their success rate on Reddit and other places. And part of the underlying goal there is to have a place where we can say, ‘Hey, this is a scam, look out for this,’ as part of a tool to promote whatever their content is... in a way to educate and protect without having to go seek out that information.”
In the meantime, they could make normal, non-technically-tedious porn that wouldn’t require them to get in a chroma key body suit to give a blowjob, and I asked them why they don’t. “We love problem solving. We love challenges,” Kristi said. “So I think that's, in a way, one of the reasons we love doing this. Thinking through every video. It's not just like, hey, let's go film a blowjob. It's like, okay, how are we going to do it.”
